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So u bought the usual chinese branded ones?  |
I got mixed.  But I changed out my kitchen ones from unbranded Chinese tubes to Philips Master colour (Poland made). Quite a bit better.
Only chinese ones is the Sanhe branded T5 (2700K/827) that I got from Designer Lighting at Balestier. If the incomes from my biz are good then I change every darn thing to Osram/Philips. Now its mixed coz I got coloured T5s, but those make no diff as they are not main illum. But seriously I compare this to Osram and Hitchi 2700K/827, not much diff. So not too ngeow, but then all my 3 aclove lighting is using this Sanhe brand. 
So I guess not all Chinese stuff are bad.
I have another brand, 827 too....DMS (you can find this in Chuan Huat etc). 11W globe, looks a wee wee bit off too....I have 3pcs of that. But in the end I just purchased the 7W from Ikea, coz those are for a decorative light. The Ikea ones are nice.
Do some research, lighting is more important than I ever though every since I embarked on this project.
www.nam.lighting.philips.com/us/ecatalog/fluor/pdf/p-5123.pdf
Look at the Spectral Power Distribution at the bottom. The bad ones would have quite a fair bit of valleys which are very near to zero.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| 2100 wrote: | | Yurikaze wrote: |
So u bought the usual chinese branded ones? |
I got mixed. But I changed out my kitchen ones from unbranded Chinese tubes to Philips Master colour (Poland made). Quite a bit better.
Only chinese ones is the Sanhe branded T5 (2700K/827) that I got from Designer Lighting at Balestier. If the incomes from my biz are good then I change to Osram. Now its mixed coz I got coloured T5s, but those make no diff as they are not main illum. But seriously I compare this to Osram and Hitchi 2700K/827, not much diff.
So I guess not all Chinese stuff are bad.
I have another brand, 827 too....DMS (you can find this in Chuan Huat etc). 11W globe, looks a wee wee bit off too....I have 3pcs of that. But in the end I just purchased the 7W from Ikea, coz those are for a decorative light. The Ikea ones are nice.
Try to do some research, lighting is more important than I ever though every since I embarked on this project. |
I guessed your house must be very nicely decorated with lights when ready. Excited? I quite keen to see your house when done up. Swee bo?
I not so into lighting la.. Can see can liao.. Am those peeps who don't appreciate nice lightings. No need to do research. My hse only got 1 metal halide 2 outputs, PL downlights and some T5s for cove effect. Simple setup. Can't wait to see your violet effect.
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No worries, I'll try to take pictures....
I got 2 types of violet, the T5 violet (mix of 2700K and blue tubes) is more like pink. The violet (blue and red diodes in 1 LED package in controlled intensity) LED strip haven't installed in MBR yet.
I might wanna cover up half to 3/4 of the blue tubes, coz too much output liao....till I can't really use the blue T5 by itself as the other lights are not powerful enough to balance.
(check out 313 Somerset QB House at B3 for a blue cove, not too much blue light so the whole place does not look too blue, and if you check out Standard Chartered at Viviocity B2, that is way too blue).
High-five on using metal halide.  Not expensive, direct light that looks great (compared to high wattage PL fluorescents). 20W metal halide will give a 30W PL fluorescent with a frosted cover a run for its money in output in reality.
I'm trying to salvage my Black Galaxy granite kitchen top. Not as glossy as I'd love it to be. IF you have been to Sheraton Hotel SG they got REALLY good Black Galaxy there. My one like half the gold flakes nia.
Gonna change from a 3-ft T5 21W normal output in the kitchen cab lighting pelmet under the top cabs to 39W high-output T5, luckily electrician haven't installed fixture yet. Sigh....last ditch effort, not too hopeful for a nice effect. Cross fingers man....
My lighting nothing great also....all low-cost type Chinese crystals...not Swarovski (Strauss). |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| 2100 wrote: | No worries, I'll try to take pictures....
I got 2 types of violet, the T5 violet (mix of 2700K and blue tubes) is more like pink. The violet (blue and red diodes in 1 LED package in controlled intensity) LED strip haven't installed in MBR yet.
High-five on using metal halide. Not expensive, direct light that looks great (compared to high wattage PL fluorescents). 20W metal halide will give a 30W PL fluorescent with a frosted cover a run for its money in output in reality.
I'm trying to salvage my Black Galaxy granite kitchen top. Not as glossy as I'd love it to be. IF you have been to Sheraton Hotel SG they got REALLY good Black Galaxy there. My one like half the gold flakes nia.
Gonna change from a 3-ft T5 21W normal output in the kitchen cab lighting pelmet under the top cabs to 39W high-output T5, luckily electrician haven't installed fixture yet. Sigh....last ditch effort, not too hopeful for a nice effect. Cross fingers man....
My lighting nothing great also....all low-cost type Chinese crystals...not Swarovski (Strauss). |
I got my T5 all 4 feet 1.. Search high and low for it. Most shops only sell 3 feet. Tell u 4 feet out of stock.. ><
The metal halide is the only 1 that's not energy saving. Depends on mood whether will on it often anot.
39W high output T5, power la u.. Nothing to say man..
Swarovski not just anyhow put 1 if u buy.. Need to have abit of knowledge how and where to put it. Lighting is very impt for that crystal. I have swarovki crystal also. Wife bought a small 1 to hang below the reverse mirror. Nice reflections of light when driving in the afternoon. Small Small crystal can reflect so much light. I can't imagine having those big big 1 in your house.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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The metal halide is the only 1 that's not energy saving. Depends on mood whether will on it often anot.
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Metal halide IS "energy saving". Like my PHilips 20W MH bulb gives about 1650 lumens. My Osram Dulux L PLL 13W is 850 lumens, so 2 x 13W = 26W is 1700 lumens. My Hitachi 14W CFL is 780 lumens, I have 2 in the lamp so 28W is 1560 lumens. Plus MH is "beautiful" enough not to need any frosted cover (which cuts a fair amt of light), so another plus for that. But most beam angles are not really wide, so different apps.
Yeah man, good crystals like swarovski need good placement, and all need point sources of light. Even the Chinese crystals need to use halogens or incandescent. Put in a energy saving CFL, every glitter lost liao.
I cannot find VHO T5s for residential use, not easy. But aquarium usage no issue. Wow nowadays look at the development in LED for aquariums.
http://delightings.com/index.cfm?GPID=30&Print=1
I can get my 4 feet T5s no issue...not sure about now. Not sure if too many people in Pinnacle doing big light coves. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| 2100 wrote: | | Yurikaze wrote: |
The metal halide is the only 1 that's not energy saving. Depends on mood whether will on it often anot.
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Metal halide IS "energy saving". Like my PHilips 20W MH bulb gives about 1650 lumens. My Osram Dulux L PLL 13W is 850 lumens, so 2 x 13W = 26W is 1700 lumens. My Hitachi 14W CFL is 780 lumens, I have 2 in the lamp so 28W is 1560 lumens. Plus MH is "beautiful" enough not to need any frosted cover (which cuts a fair amt of light), so another plus for that. But most beam angles are not really wide, so different apps.
Yeah man, good crystals like swarovski need good placement, and all need point sources of light. Even the Chinese crystals need to use halogens or incandescent. Put in a energy saving CFL, every glitter lost liao.
I cannot find VHO T5s for residential use, not easy. But aquarium usage no issue. Wow nowadays look at the development in LED for aquariums.
http://delightings.com/index.cfm?GPID=30&Print=1
I can get my 4 feet T5s no issue...not sure about now. Not sure if too many people in Pinnacle doing big light coves. |
Based on your calculations, the MH is energy saving leh.. How come my ID tell me MH not energy saving.. Maybe she dunno that much stuffs.. 
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Based on your calculations, the MH is energy saving leh.. How come my ID tell me MH not energy saving.. Maybe she dunno that much stuffs.. |
Can relax liao lor, it is energy saving, trust me.
T5 in light coves confirm not energy saving. The light output from the tubes is really a lot. But the coves suck out too much liao.
When I switch on my dining area vertical coves, 16ft worth = 112W worth, I'd bet that 112W of halogen has more light output than that.
The design of this one blocks out more light than the light cove. Light coves are just for effect.
But my T5 in pelmets for my study table, kitchen cabinets and TV console are decent. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Hi 2100,
Need your advice.
a) Do you know where can I buy the cheapest 4 feet T5 lights?
b) I'm trying to cut down the number of light switches. Read you mentioned "Use an IC switch". What's that?
Tks. |
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Bros/sis, one of the forumers contacted me regarding metal halides. I got my Philips CDM-Tm mini bulb, Philips electronic power supply c*m igniter, fixture set for S$139 before discount, and anyway I got quite a lot of stuff from that shop alone like 4k worth so I guess later still got further discount.
He asked and got the price of $225, I think pretty similar stuff....its all reflector spotlights. The most expensive stuff is the electronics + bulb (bulb replacement alone would cost you $49 at Chan Huat).
So would really advise to do through shopping beforehand.
Blue,
Cheapest T4 I can find is at Sinter Electrical, 3rd sty Sim Lim Tower. Need to go order first, or can give them a call to order and drop by the next day to collect and save 1 trip, if you know what number you need. Fixture is Safer Electric - think $12 or $13 for 4ft. Some of their stuff are not super cheap, but most are slightly lower than your neighbourhood shop. Eg that sort of 5-Gold Hardware shop at Tg Pagar Complex selling Osram 13W PLC for $4.00 (NTUC $4.50, Cold Storage/Home Fix Self Fix $6.00), they selling $3.80. Thing is they got variety.
Tubes you can order and get their Made in Italy Osram High-efficiency series, $7.50 per 3ft. If you wanna save some you can opt for Philips Essential T5, I saw quite a fair bit at Best Denki City Square Mall at Farrer, and I think Vivocity Self-Fix still have a bit. $3.90 per pc.
But if you are looking for quite a number of pcs like > 5 then I'd recommend getting from Sinter and save the trouble, coz may not have the colour temperature you want. Different brand of 2700K tubes still would look a bit different, eg Safer Electric 2700K looks a bit different from Osram 2700K. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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Hi 2100,
Need some advice....is there any difference if putting up
Option 1
3 x4 Feet T5 and 1 x 3 feet
Option 2
5 x3 feet.
Total 15 feet false ceiling for cove lights. If option 1 any gaping problem or option 2 is better with less break in between.....therefore more balance.
Not too sure on this.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| ixus wrote: | Hi 2100,
Need some advice....is there any difference if putting up
Option 1
3 x4 Feet T5 and 1 x 3 feet
Option 2
5 x3 feet.
Total 15 feet false ceiling for cove lights. If option 1 any gaping problem or option 2 is better with less break in between.....therefore more balance.
Not too sure on this.
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To avoid the black gap issue, you'd have to buy those type which has flexible cable connection between the lights, so that you can overlap. There are some chinese brands with hard connection between the lights (ie no cable). But seriously I have 2 lines of T5 which I can individually light up, one is the flexi cable type and the other the hard connection type, there really is not much of an issue bt the two if done properly. If I switch on both the 2 lines of paralled T5 then there is no gap (obviously), but then with ~ 450W of of T5 for the ceiling coves alone its too darn bright.
Seriously I don't light up my coves much at all with the T5 in it, i prefer more to use the LED strips in it to add mood. Then I use my MH/LED spots and LED strips to add contrast and accentuate different areas.... apparently I prefer this contrast to diffused lighting of the coves. The feel is very different.
But I think generally the diffused lighting of light coves is preferred by many - as evidently seen in so many P@D homes using it now.
I see it a lot in newly wedded renovated homes. So a bit "common".
Options 1 and 2 are pretty much the same lah. You also need to see if you can cover the 2 end points of the coves properly, which matters as much as the "black" gaps.
If you scared of gaps and budget not much of an issue, use LED strips.  Anyway not that expensive also lah, about 4X more ex to get the same overall lumens nia. So if you lay one strip it may be enough for some, coz not all prefer high lighting levels.
If the caps in the PS are good, 10+ years no need to change the PSU also - the LEDs prob will stick around with you till your old-age.
Practicality wise - one can mount the strips on the vertical portion of the cove, so dust will not really settle on it causing light efficiency drop. T5 suffers from this. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:14 am Post subject: |
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anyone using Philips Easyscene lighting?
I am think of replacing some of my 2X13W PLC lighting to Philips 20W E27 holder type.
Any advice ? |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| hi do u know how much each additional bulb cost, excl the 2 bulbs from the kit? |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| JL wrote: | | hi do u know how much each additional bulb cost, excl the 2 bulbs from the kit? |
ok the Kit cost $109 come with 1 controller + 2 bulb selling $109 @ homefix and additional bulb cost $37 each. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:23 am Post subject: |
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It's really a good alternative- saw it at a roadshow last year before it became mainstream.
Can control up to 100 bulbs in 4 zones in the house.
In the end I decided on the Phillips Gen2 LED instead- won over by the colour and throwing radius.
Kudos to Phillips for generating new excitement in home lighting!
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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wat type of holders/fixtures to buy for the philips easyscene. is there a holder that can contain 2 bulbs like the plc? also wat is the consumption of this over plc?
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| JL wrote: | | wat type of holders/fixtures to buy for the philips easyscene. is there a holder that can contain 2 bulbs like the plc? also wat is the consumption of this over plc? |
As I have brought my lighting so what I did is to modify my existing 2 bulbs PLC ceiling down light to a single bulbs E27 type holder.
Philips easyscene come in 2 typr 15w and 20W
There is a few different type of PLC light bulb
7w 9w 10w 13w 18w 26w |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| ehh.. question here.. this philips easy scene bulb can be used for any screw type lights rite ? is screw type lights = e27 ? Aren't downlights also screw type ?? |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Leebl wrote: | | ehh.. question here.. this philips easy scene bulb can be used for any screw type lights rite ? is screw type lights = e27 ? Aren't downlights also screw type ?? |
Nope most of the PLC downlight bulb look like these
they need to have bllasts in order to work. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| saggydog wrote: | | Leebl wrote: | | ehh.. question here.. this philips easy scene bulb can be used for any screw type lights rite ? is screw type lights = e27 ? Aren't downlights also screw type ?? |
Nope most of the PLC downlight bulb look like these
they need to have bllasts in order to work. |
so which has higher consumption, PLC or E27 bulbs?
Is there any E27 holder that holds 2 bulbs? |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| JL wrote: | | saggydog wrote: | | Leebl wrote: | | ehh.. question here.. this philips easy scene bulb can be used for any screw type lights rite ? is screw type lights = e27 ? Aren't downlights also screw type ?? |
Nope most of the PLC downlight bulb look like these
they need to have bllasts in order to work. |
so which has higher consumption, PLC or E27 bulbs?
Is there any E27 holder that holds 2 bulbs? |
That depend on the number of bulb you use per down light the best example of PLC down light is those you can see in most of the MRT station.
If I am not wrong they use 2X18W bulb per down light .
if you are talking about Philips Easysens they only have 15W, 20W light bulb
I only manage to squeeze one Philips 20W light bulb into one 2X13W PLC downlight casing,
So for my case using one 20W light bulb consume less power than 2X13W PLC bulb
One E27 holder can only hold one bulb |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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hi i intend to replace halogen downlights with this as well.
my id just done up the false ceiling. can i ask her to change theholder to e27?:
is the going to create the same mood lights? |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, my ID proposing to use off-white fluorescent cove lighting..
I cannot visualise that, anyone has photo of such cove lighting to share?
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